EP. 30: WE'RE BACK!!!

Oh, some things never change. I was waiting for this music thing to happen. No. And we just jumped right in. We did. Hi, you guys. Hello. Greetings for the first time or for the first time in a long time. We are Dirty Pillows. And I'm Matty Glorotti. And I'm Chris Fox. And we're back. Hi, guys. We're back.

We said it again. We said it multiple times. We just, we really missed you listening to us. Yeah, hi. It's very, very good to be back, you know? They said it wouldn't happen, but we proved them wrong. Yeah. Nobody actually said that, but- But our own minds did. So it's been over a year since we've recorded anything for Dirty Pillows, but we've secretly been having Dirty Pillows talking, you know, every night. Daily.

Every night. Yeah. Since we left you and we just couldn't... What happened? Where did we go? Well. Let's fill them in. Yeah, I mean, it's been a year. We disappeared off the face of the earth. I had a soul crushing job that I left. So... Yeah. That, yeah, it was...

taking up far too much of my own time. So I had to get out of there and I did. And now, you know, we're both doing, creating our art and doing that. And I'm feeling much more of a complete person. Yeah, complete people. Yeah, so it's really, this was definitely one of the things that we weren't able to do while I was working at this place. And it really made me sad.

Yeah, Matty was working a lot and I was like... There it is. Matty was working a lot and I was like, I could just do it by myself, but I don't really want to just talk about movies by myself to a microphone, because then I would just be crazy. Just crazy. And no offense to any of the podcasters that are by themselves I mean all the offense, we're talking about you. But I would feel really crazy.

Matty (02:27.598)
If you're new, our very first episode, we talk about rules that we have as podcasters. And one of them is we never talk smack on anyone else's podcasts. I didn't say anybody specifically. No, we just- And I didn't mean it. At all, we just never do that. But yeah, solo me would just be a lot for me. I can only imagine how much that would be for you. We need Maddie to balance this out. Hey, yeah, I mean, and if it is your first time joining us, welcome. Yes, welcome.

Um, Chris and I are partners that reside in Brooklyn. And I mean, he is. I for I like to say that he is the Rain Man of movies because his ability to. We also like to say that it's 1989 in our house. We do that reference and people don't. Young people are not going to know what Rain Man is. I don't think we're even allowed to say that anymore. That was yeah. Yeah, doesn't that offend people? I feel like Rain Man is considered.

Maybe. Well, we'll find out. So first episode back and already can't. I know a lot about movies, you know, that's what he's trying to say. Yeah. Count matchsticks if they fall on the floor. But I can tell you every actor that's in front of the 13th part, too. And what else they've been in and the year it happened and the director and what else they've directed. It's really quite impressive. You don't need IMDb when you've got me around. It's it's absolutely true.

Matty (03:56.222)
I love it. It is my thing. I feel like you're more, I mean, I feel like we've had this talk. I feel like I'm a very big IMDb person. You really like Letterbox. I do. I love Letterbox. Letterbox is like my forest where I'm just a tree falling by myself. Like, I can write whatever I want. I don't worry. Nobody really follows me, but I'm so invested in it. And I catalog everything I watch and we watch too many movies. We watch a lot. We do watch a lot of movies. It's just crazy.

Matty (04:29.103)
So we've decided that we would do this podcast because we talk about movies and yeah, you know, I mean I I'm very much a film enthusiast I definitely don't have the Backup knowledge that you know that Chris has so but he learns things every day. I know he's see I love I love learning things. I always want to keep on learning. So this is this is we're it's a great dynamic and I mean

We started this originally during the pandemic and we were just shooting the shit about movies for hours and weeks and months and years at a time. So we started recording it and then we're like, we're funny and then also we like got nominated for awards a couple of times. We did, twice. We're like, shit, let's keep going. What's going on? Long story short, we missed you and if you haven't heard our podcast, we've got like 30 episodes that you can catch up. But for now,

we wanna catch you up to what we've missed talking about. Like- For an entire year, over a year. A whole bunch of stuff came out over a year and- Whole lot of stuff. A lot of them we were like, damn, I wish we did the show so we could talk about this. So we each decided we were gonna pick five of like our greatest hits. Yeah. Slashes, greatest gasps. The moments that made us clutch our pearls the most. I mean, okay, hold.

I want to say maybe we, I know that for at least for some of mine, it may not be the greatest. It's just your favorite. My most enjoyable, most kind of noteworthy doesn't necessarily mean that every I'm just going to be singing praises.

Matty (06:18.734)
If you're looking for praises, you've come to the wrong channel. You're not gonna get it out of me. Oh, maybe our roles have reversed over the like year. Like it's interesting. I think this will be an interesting project, a study to see how much our tastes have changed over the year. Okay. You were always a good cop and I was bad cop before. This is true. But I mean, I- Maybe he's a bad cop now.

I think that this become a Targaryen situation has a character totally switched their personality over. Is Maddie gonna fly on a dragon and crush me with a bell? In very low lighting. Not till episode 15 of the new season. And you're not even really gonna know what happened. It's gonna be too dark. All right, so who wants to start? Do you wanna start or do you want me to start? I think that I want you to start. Okay.

I'm gonna start with what I think was the best horror film since we've last spoken to everybody. Okay, so this is like the past 15 months. Yeah, but this is within the last year. Okay, cool. But yeah, I'm gonna first say talk to me. Talk to me. Guess what we're doing? We're talking to you. Hey, talk to me. Are we in another dimension?

Demons. I want to hold your hand. All right. So talk to me. Talk to me. Talk to me. I'm sure if you're listening to a horror podcast right now, you know, talk to me is. But talk to me was a big hit for a 24. It's the second highest grossing 24 films so far, which is great. That's it. Scared the shit out of me. I miss feeling like, oh, I can't watch this because this is evil.

I feel icky and I'm worrying about everything in the world. It made me so uncomfortable. And the first time I watched it, I watched it alone in the theater and I didn't really read anything. So I was just kind of like, I know it's Australian and that it's doing good. And then I go support it and- I remember you texted me and you're like, holy shit, that movie was terrifying. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do with that. There's whole sequence, the sequence with the, yeah, so it's directed by-

Matty (08:39.854)
Danny and Michael Philippu. I'm assuming they're brothers. I didn't check. Or I like to think that they're married. That these nice Australian couple that scared everybody. I think they're probably brothers. Maybe it's a father and a son. I don't think so. It is, yeah, it's written by Danny Philippu. It's from Australia and the lead is Sophie Wilde. She's incredible. And she's, it's her first.

lead role in a movie and she's so good. And then there's a guy named Joe Bird who plays her little brother Riley, who I think is one of the best child performers that I've seen all year. That kid was... And his scene holding the hand is like literally the scariest scene in any horror movie I've seen in forever. I haven't felt that way, like viscerally, to where I wasn't just clutching my pearls, I was like holding my clavicle.

Like a death grip on my clavicle. Your talons were inside your bones. Like almost through my rib cage, which I mean, it was... It's true. I was sitting next to him when he watched it and he looked like a mountain goat. That was like just about to fall off of a mountain. Like, you gotta like, I gotcha! It was very scary. And then, yeah, their mom is played by, or Riley's mom is played by Miranda Otto, who is from...

and she's the cool smoking auntie in Sabrina. Yes. And she's just delicious. And it's fun to see her in anything. Oh, what lies beneath? She's the neighbor. Oh my gosh, she's the neighbor. She's the neighbor. I like her as the place. That's a deep dive with that one. Satan auntie, yeah. Michelle Pfeiffer watching her through the bushes. What else is interesting about this movie? Talk to me also, the thing that I found out that I think is the most like, ugh.

about our times. It was banned in Kuwait this year. And it was banned because it featured trans actor Zoe Tarakas. And yeah, so one of the main cast members is a trans actor. And they're very good too. They seem so genuine. Most of the cast just seems so like, they picked off the street and read it. All of those kids. I mean, it was, the level of, I feel like the younger generations.

Matty (11:04.798)
acting abilities is just, the bar is so high right now. I feel like even when someone's still a good actor, there's so many great, like phenomenal younger actors. When someone is good, it just, the difference is that much more obvious nowadays. Yeah, I'm trying to think of like a low budget Australian movie from the 80s that we would have seen. Right. Yeah. Whether you're doing the Oz vacation movie. Australia always, always has like, some of the most amazing actors come out of it. Oh yeah, a lot of American.

Our favorite American actors are Australian people that do better accents. But yeah, fantastic. If you haven't seen Talk to Me, we recommend it. Highly, highly, highly. What's your first movie you want to talk about? OK, well, with my list, apparently what I liked this past year was Blumhouse and emotional thrillers.

Matty (12:00.966)
Oh guys strapping But first I would like start with One of my really great surprises that I thought of the year that I just I saw it going around on socials I was like, what the fuck is this? I want to watch it right now. And I think that's exactly what we did totally killer oh yeah, which was on Amazon it speaking of in the same vein as Sabrina it has

Sabrina. Um, Miss Shipka. In this film you don't just get an aunt, you get the whole witch. Yeah, right? I mean, okay.

She's not necessarily my favorite in Sabrina. I don't know why. I don't know what it was. Maybe it's the writing at times. I don't know. But I really, really much enjoyed her in this. I mean, like they build it as kind of like a slasher meets back to the future. It's very back to the... And that's exactly what you get, you know? It has no kind of...

It's a great example of a horror comedy. I think Julie Bowen from Modern Family. It was really nice to see her in something. I'm here with the jacket. Yeah, with like, see her like. So we watched this movie like at a guest house in Fire Island over the summer. So I'm trying to reach into the memory bank and be like, I remember there was a spinny thing. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, Julie Bowen's in it too. Yeah, I mean like, so pretty much what happens is there was a mass murderer.

in the 80s and three high school students were murdered. Flash forward, it's like 30 years later. They have a kid, Kemen and. Can it? Can it? Oh, I maybe that's what that is. That looks like an end to me. I was like, he looks like it says Kermit. And that is.

Matty (14:03.102)
The star of this movie is Kermit Shipka. I mean, hey, welcome to the stage. Why aren't there so many movies about Ferris wheels? Ferris. And the E.D.'s on the other side. Well, um. Kiernan, we apologize. Also, I thought you were great in Sabrina. Um.

That's okay. We're all entitled to our own opinion. That's true. That's true. Well, so. Pretty much what happens is they have to go back in time, solve the murders. So, you know, it doesn't continually keep on pressing them. I mean, they have a friend who's, thank God, an astrophysicist in high school.

that can build a time machine. There's a lot of what we call a leap of faith. Yeah, I mean we are suspension of belief. I mean it is you have your 80s glam. It's absolutely ridiculous. It's a really great horror comedy and just really stupid fun. Yeah, it's a nice surprise. Yeah, I like a nice surprise.

And we were like, put it on. We're like, this is probably garbage. And I was like, oh, it is not garbage. It also plays really good with Final Girls. The yeah, the movie with the chick from The Watchmen and yeah. And the girl from American Horror Story. And it's very similar vibe. And we did, I think, do that double feature. We did actually. Yes, like this reminds me of something else. Settle in for another two hours. But yeah, cute. But I mean, it was it was a director. I love her name.

The notch Kakan the notch cut. I don't know if I'm saying that right, but not She I think did an amazing job and she's also did always be my baby and with Ali Wong But he's also in this movie and it's done some of Ali Wong's comedy specials and One of my favorite, you know

Matty (16:19.246)
TV shows when it was almost, Don't Trust the Bitch in 23A or something, which is hilarious, Christian Ritter. Christian Ritter. Yeah. Oh. Christian Ritter, I've got something to say to you. First off, you're a great actress and I really like you and you have a good oomph, but I very much dislike the fact that your name is spelled K-R-Y-S. Oh. Because you're always the first hit when I'm Googling myself.

Matty (16:51.758)
It's like, Chris Fox, did you mean Kristen Ritter? And I'm like, no, I meant me.

I was not what I was expecting. Yeah, that's all it is. Otherwise, I think she's great. Say, how do you spell your name? Like Kristen Ritter, but without the tin. Or the Ritter. And switchbox and Ritter. And no Ritter. I miss John Ritter. Do you? He was a nice man. Yeah. Kristen.

Matty (17:27.878)
But yeah, I mean, like that was that was one of my really lovely surprises that I thought of. This past year. Yeah, what a lovely surprise. Love. I don't talk about a lovely surprise. Tell me. Mostly, it was the surprise in your eyes when you realize that there was still going to be like three hours of this movie.

and just this look of fear that I could feel off of you the whole time. Of me? Yeah. Oh, let's talk about Bo is afraid. Oh, fuck.

To say this movie is polarizing is to, it's to mock the polls, you know, because it is more than polarizing. Oh! I've seen, okay, for example, I have it number two right here. John Waters is in good company with me in that John Waters picked it as number two of his infamous, Your Endless. Like, he always picks his best movies. Right, right. And he always makes some kind of quirky choices. Yes.

I too think this is one of my top movies of the whole year. And is it a movie I wanna watch after we record? No. No, yeah. I think I'm good watching it again, maybe in 10 years, but I thought it was brilliant. I thought the art direction of it, just the first 40 minutes of the movie is, it's on par with Mother, Maranofsky's Mother. It's just...

So much saturated stuff going on. I'm like, as an artist, I just watch it being like, how do you even start to make this? And start to organize. And then when you really look at it, like every sign on every building is created. Like they made, they basically shut down an entire town and then painted it up and changed it and made their world. And it's inhabited, you know, like it just is like a piece of art, the whole movie. And so it's an Ari Oster movie.

Matty (19:25.462)
who did Hereditary and Midsummer, and this is his long awaited third movie. A lot of people bagged on it, and I thought it was just showed somebody who has so much promise as a filmmaker and is showing how unique he is all the time. This is just being like, look, I'm crazy. And I feel like all of our on tours, they've done this. Every director that is the great directors, it's usually around movie three or four where they start taking these risks and jumps. Tarantino's third was Jackie Brown.

And if people didn't get that, because it was not written by, it was not in his voice, they take a risk to show you're not like a one trick pony. You know? Yeah. So I love that. And there's some parts where the sets are like, like a movie or like a play. And then other parts where it's so hyper surrealistic. It's just the tone changes throughout it. It does. The cast is really incredible. It just seemed like there was so much love made into that movie. And I get that it's a slog.

It's a lot to go through, especially if you're not connecting with stuff. But I also just thought Joaquin Phoenix did some of his best. I think Joaquin Phoenix gets a lot of praise a lot of the times when I'm kind of like, and then other times he does stuff that's so bonkers. Yeah. Like I love him and like to die for when he was a kid. Like he's like, he's great when he just like goes somewhere unexpected and this he gets to play like so many different sides of himself and like.

Then the supporting cast like Patty Lepone, Amy Ryan, Nathan Lane, Parker Posey, like this through and all these cool people. Yeah, the cast was amazing. And it was it was those first 40 minutes were absolutely fucking nuts. And those are my favorite parts of the movie.

Matty (21:07.85)
I think it was just a slug for me, but I get exactly what you're saying. You know that these there was so much to it Maybe it was just too much for me, right? I think yeah, I think it overwhelmed a lot of people like I love that movie mother also we're Jennifer Lawrence and I Remember people hating that movie so much. That's like a long Also like a lot like it's just sometimes if your system gets barraged that way

and just attacked, it makes your body kind of have a reaction, which is what they're going for, obviously, but like maybe you did it too well. I think the funniest thing I read when I was looking this up earlier was Nathan Lane, who I just fucking always love, but Nathan Lane called this movie the Jewish version of everything, everywhere, all at once. And that it's just like a life story of Jews and their guilt. And like, I think that.

Put that in your noggin, and you go to watch it, and I think it changes the way you see it. I just think that's brilliant. And Joaquin Phoenix always goes through these crazy lengths to play his characters or whatever, and some of the examples in this, he hurts his hand in one part, and has to wear a bandage throughout a lot of them. And he put real sharp needles and pins inside of the bandage, so if he accidentally used that hand, he would freak out. Are you serious? Yeah. And he put like...

binder clips like on his stomach and on his legs so that he would have a real limp. And then my brain, I'm like, put a rock in your shoe. Like I walk with. It's like when I watch National Geographic and I'm like, I'm a photographer, but I could never be that kind of photographer. I read things like that and I'm like, I think of myself as an actor, but I would never do that. Like, why? You're acting.

You just you have a bandage. Can't you just be like, I can't use that. And if you do, it's like oopsie doopsies, it's like a goof and I am to be, you know, like, yeah, I can use to that. No one really cares. Everyone thinks you're really good. And you don't have to impress us anymore. You've been acting for 30 years. It's true. We get it. We get it. You're amazing. No one's going to pay attention to the bandage. Like literally trees are made out of paper and people are catching on fire. Like there's a lot going on.

Matty (23:21.646)
But bless you for trying so hard. But yeah, I know that when we saw in the theater you looked so angry. I've been more angry by some films this year. Yeah, it's true. It's been a rough year. But...

I think that it was just a lot to compute. And like with, I like your comparison with Mother, because with that movie, it kind of builds up to the last half hour, which is like absolute banana. Yeah, this is like kind of the opposite. Starts with it and you're like, ugh, and then the tone totally changes and then you don't know where you are. And then kind of maybe it's just me, because when I get into those moments where I get like,

Whoa, super full of endorphins. And then all that tension is released. I wanna go to sleep. No, like I immediately get tired. I'm like, oh no, there's two and a half more hours. There was like the part where he was like in the water, right? And it was becoming like a theater. And I was just looking at my phone being like, this has to almost be over. Like this has to, but it's not. Yeah. If you break it into three parts and just watch like an hour and then do something else and then watch an hour and those tones are gonna change.

I think it would be lovely. Oh, that's a serving suggestion for you. I mean, actually, we've talked about this a lot. And this is just a side note. I think that with the current trend of these huge epic long movies, like two and a half hours, three, three and a half hours, you need to bring back the intermission of what's going on, like that they used to have. And it was like intermission, have a seven minute break, like go to the bathroom because.

There's been multiple times where we've been in a theater this past year with like outrageously long movie and you just see all around the same time, you can hear it through the theater, people get stir, like get stirry and then- Cause your butt hurts. Your butt hurts and then people like go to the bathroom, one person goes and then another person goes. Like it's funny, like the group think of like, oh, okay. Like you can feel it when the audience just needs a break. And I think this is why I am petitioning.

Matty (25:35.062)
to bring back movie intermissions if it's over two and a half hours. Intermissions. You can sign my...

Petition. Petition! We're finished! Change.com, bring it back! I'm doing a petition. Wait, what's it called? A petition. All right. Mr. Petition, what's your next movie? My next one.

Matty (26:06.715)
Okay, um, yes, my

My next one is going to be, this one came out pretty much right after we kind of went on our little hiatus and that we wanted to see for a long time, but it took us a while. Bones and all. Oh yeah. I really love this movie. Which when your partner really loves a movie about a cannibal romance. Yeah. It puts some flags.

You know, it makes you a spidey senses go, hmm. Things that make you go, hmm. Hmm. Cannibal romance. I mean, I learned it from watching you. I found my I found my adoration for cannibal cannibalism love from just the little things you said to me when we started dating. I think it was even literally last night where you're like, I just want to be in your skin. Your skin is just so soft.

I think I'm we would make a lovely jacket. Bones and all it came out on November of 22, actually. By director is Luca. Say his last name. No, don't make me do it. I want you to do it. Even watching the Sopranos, you can do this. Go out it. Go out of Gino. Yeah, do it with your hand. Go out of the Gino.

Matty (27:41.698)
Quedagmio. Quedagmio, hey! Yeah, it's Quedagnino. He did a Call Me By Your Name, and then we make a Suspiria, got the three and a half hour long movie. He likes long movies. Long. But I love this movie because- There were no peaches. There were no peaches, but there was blood. There was a lot of blood. There was a lot, I mean, I-

I love the idea of a love story of two lost people trying to find their way through life who just happen to have an undying need to eat human flesh. He's such a weirdo. Like I like that. Like I feel like these younger directors, it's so fun to see them like keeping us on our toes. Like it's. Yeah.

It's like a lot of them have done about three movies now and it's just funny to see like some of them There's like a theme and with him. It's like I mean, it's sort of gay Sort of spooky There's sort of set all of his movies are sad. I'd say yeah, he's sort of like I was gonna say without you know the violence, but then I remembered what we were talking about Yeah, all of these movies

Call me by your name is emotionally violent. Right. Fireplaces have never been the same. And it involved a cannibal anyway. And I mean, it was... If you think about it, right? Call me by your name, cannibal. Maybe this is the cannibal trilogy. Armie Hammer. As Armie Hammer. I've never thought about that before. And then Suspiria is like... Witches and cannibals. Luca. Is very violent. What are you trying to tell us? Luca, what's going on? Hey. Where are your kindreds?

I think you're part of our LGBTQIA family. Who hurt you, Luca? I mean. Did they bite you? Did they? Hard. On your peach. Hard. On my peach. He just has like a little bite mark. I'm working through this. I'm. The only way through, the only way out is through. Yeah. Oh man. But.

Matty (30:01.71)
Timothy Chalamet is great in it. I think that his...

Matty (30:10.866)
His I mean he's timothy. He's great. He's pretty to look at I think he does a fantastic job, but taylor russell I think she's just a really Amazing amazing young actress, uh, she got her start in escape room and then the Um remake that I enjoyed but maybe that's just because of parker posy, but she was in the lost in space remake um and I don't know. I just really like seeing this girl kind of come to terms with

having absolutely nothing and it goes with those usual kind of like coming of age movies. With a twist. Yeah, a twist of human flesh. It is by far one of the most original screenplays and stories I've seen. I think I cried. I just thought it was really beautiful. It's a weird movie that makes, it's sort of like in the vein of like, let the right one in or may or something, like things that are just sort of

or raw, like where the subject matter is intense and violent, but the story is really like coming of age drama. And it's just, but it still has that, you know, his touches of just a really beautiful landscapes and just how it just looks doesn't look like a movie that- It looks expensive. Yes, it does. But it doesn't look like it's gonna be what the subject matter is really about.

So it's that I think that juxtaposition is really, really nice. Yes, definitely. And I usually don't have. Many nice things to say about this person. Well, I just don't usually say anything about them, because, you know, I try to be stay positive, but one of the best cameos I've seen since moving on was Chloe's fed me in this. You're going to say bad things about Chloe seven. She's in my phone.

Matty (32:05.974)
Is she? That's like one of the douchiest things I've ever said. That's so gross. Strike that. Yeah, she. Whoa. Yeah, no, I am not. I have nothing negative to say. No, I mean, it's just.

Neither do I. She's a full recipe. I just really, really liked her in this and the role that she played. I like her in every damn thing she's ever done. Yes, and that is the- Except for American Horror Story. Oh, but I'm excited for The Swans. I am very excited for The Swans. I genuinely love her. I've loved her since kids. I think she's wonderful. She is phenomenal kids.

So many people get AIDS in that movie. And that movie about the like, that show, Big Love. Oh my God, I love her in Big Love too. Oh, Big Love is really sweet. She's amazing. She's a very good actor that I think the Hollywood doesn't know what to do with. I think there's a lot of kids that kind of came out in the late 90s that they just don't make movies with the same type of characters and they just don't know what to do with her. No, I think that she falls into the category of a person who is a brilliant actress, actor, and...

Sometimes their real-life persona Leaks out and people don't necessarily enjoy that aspect of it Yeah That's why we should all just stay to ourselves as we make a pot and I Am just again going to say that I loved her in this film and it was one of my favorite parts Yes, I like where she pops up and things anytime. Oh my gosh. No, there's that one movie She did that again in

friend of the podcast, friend of us.

Matty (33:58.558)
It was Kitty told us about that movie.

Matty (34:04.834)
that her in-laws were in or something. And, oh wait, no, that was Lena Dunham. Just kidding. Different rich Brooklyn girl. Different rich person, same opinion.

put this out that we record this in New York City. And in New York City, there are like certain people that it's just they fit a stereotype that offends a lot of New Yorkers because it's a hard place. Sometimes it's harder for others. It's a hard place. And you know, it's really hard for you are giving your dog salmon alfresco.

I've read nevermind. I'm just happy that Timothy Chalamet played a straight cannibal in this movie, right? Did he but did he I was thinking about there's an entire scene that's not I don't know about that He's like his muse though. It's just like this thing where every generation has like their hot gum actor that plays gay more than once

And then I just think of like the little gay actors that wanna be these roles. And it's finally a role that they would fit for. And then I'm not bitter about Joseph Gordon Levitt or anything, but. Oh yeah, oh yeah. There's just like, there's certain actors that like they get to play the sensitive gay character. And they're really just like a dude. Yeah, he's dating a Jenner. Yeah, I just.

But he just makes me feel really old. Timothée Chalamet's main thing in life is that I just, I feel like I'm 400 years old. I think he makes 22 year olds too old. Does he? Good, I hope so. God damn it. It's gonna be, I mean, it's just gonna be interesting to, welcome to Maddie's Corner of Judgment. That's what this episode should just be called. Geez. What's it gonna look like when he's 50? That's what I wanna know. I guess I'll be there to find out. Hopefully.

Matty (36:06.398)
I mean, when you're that skinny, seeing twinks come out of what they think is forever twinkdom, forever twinkdom doesn't really occur that often. I mean, it's always fascinating. It's fascinating and sometimes terrifying. Where do twinks go when they grow up? Where do they go? Where does my twink go now? Okay. I've obviously been caffeinated.

But what's your next one, darling? My next one is the third in a row that is a written and directed by type movie, which I guess is my theme, is these sort of independent films that are made by writer directors. But this one is by Brendan Cronenberg, who's becoming my new favorite thing. I venture to say that in his first two movies, I'm starting to think that I like him a little bit better than his dad.

Cause it took me a while. It took me a while to get into David Cronenberg. David Cronenberg felt like a very like all the guys that I knew that were really into David Cronenberg were like kind of bro-y into metal. They probably wore like Judas Priest t-shirts. They're like, it's so gross and there's a porn star in it. And it was just never.

I was like, this isn't for me. Uh, but Brandon Grunenberg makes things that are like, this is for me. Yes. His first movie was possession. And I really, really love that. Yeah. Um, yeah. Possessor. Yeah. Is that right? Or is it possession? Possessor. Possession is the one with the tentacles and the milk in the alley. Yeah. Possessor is like the melty face mask. Yeah. Possessor was fantastic. And then it was one of my top movies of the year. And then.

this new movie is called Infinity Pool. And it is also very polarizing movie. I love this movie so much. Thank goodness. And that's why we're still together. I stopped following a YouTuber that I've been into for like a year just because they didn't like this movie. He didn't just dislike it, like he hated it. He rolled it through the coals and then shoved them in its orifices. Like he was so mean to it. And I was like, I...

Matty (38:21.386)
Half the reason I'm like, we need to start the podcast again is because I needed to come on the air and defend Infinity Pool. Well, baby, this is your time and place, and I want you to take it, defend it. Go! Ha ha ha. So Infinity Pool is this wacky movie that it's better to go into not knowing anything, which will help too because while you're watching it, you won't really know anything either. It's like, it's confusing, the pace is weird, it's an odd duck, and uh.

I think that's rare and rare these days where you get these movies that are just so bonkers and weird because everything has to go through so many stages of approval through executives now. And I think in horror is one of the only genres where they let these kind of new directors just do something weird. And that's why all this like elevated horror and the A24 stuff is so popular, I think, is because especially the younger generation and the horror generation in general, all of us, we're open and we're hungry.

So it's like, we'll take it in and give new things a chance. And I think they're scared in like big movies, it's impossible to do stuff like this. Like this movie was made in Croatia. It was like most of the cast is European and completely like unknown to American audiences. And then like they throw Alexandra Skarsgård and Mia Goth into the mix. And they're, A, they're both just delicious to look at. Absolutely. Like I think they're so hot, both of them. Like, and then I think that.

They're both two of the most talented actors in their generation. Like, Alexandra Skarsgard has so much range. And then Mia Goth is just like a queen now. She, she is. And this movie is worth seeing just for her. Like, I would say you could go in blind and just be a fan of Mia Goth and you will be delighted. That's how I ended up feeling. And there's dicks. There's dicks? And if you're new to our podcast, we are big fans of putting dicks in horror movies. Wang, dang, doodle. Especially this one.

Hi. It's like, okay, but is there a dick? All right, I'll watch it. I'm down. He sometimes gets disappointed in the dicks, but. Sometimes it's not the dick you wanna see. Even that is better than no dick at all. It's true. And this movie has a lot of dicks, so. It was, I mean, it was, I loved it. We still quote it. Do your impression for me. Jamie.

Matty (40:42.555)
That wasn't that good. No, across the across the airways right now, people are cheering. Yeah, that sounded just like me. I got I yeah, I'm not going to tell you what the movie is about. Not really. I will say that it was written based on an experience that Brandon Kronenberg had on vacation. So he was like on vacationing in the Dominican Republic. And when he came in, they literally they drove him via bus at night to get to this like resort that he was staying at.

Once he got there, there was razor wire all around the resort, which is in the movie. All these things are in the movie. And then they had a fake village to shop in inside the resort. There was really a really terrible disco. It was really bad Chinese food. And there was actually an ATV chasing a man on the sand. A man on the sand when he woke up one morning, he went to the beach and someone was being chased by an ATV on the other side of the razor wire. No inside, like on the beach. So all of that made it into the movie.

That's amazing. And originally the movie was longer. It was more racy. There was more nudity. And the uncut version was shown at Sundance. And then everybody was interested, but they rated it NC-17. And it got distributed by Neon, which then edited a bunch of stuff out. We need that director's cut. So that's what everyone saw in the theater was the unrated. But I know that like the, or they saw the rated version, but there was an uncut version. And I've heard a lot of, you know.

Whispers. Whispers in the dark about getting copies of that. Sometimes more dick isn't better. So I don't know that it. Yeah. Who are you? Die on this hill. I just remember some of the dick not being pleasant. Yeah. Okay. If it's just Alexander just being naked on, I will always. Always. We like freeze frame true blood to see him naked on the hill. God, I'm gonna.

I mean it was so pixely and I was like I think I can see Scandinavia I see and like the Northmen didn't have to make sense because the Northman is just porn With the York, which I never thought I'd enjoy but I do So yeah, that sounds up your alley I'd say um Dix and Mia Goth go watch infinity pool and don't read anything about it Just watch it and experience it

Matty (43:01.33)
experience. Well, on the topic of dicks, I'm gonna talk about my next one.

Matty (43:10.418)
Um, wait, hold on. No, we're not.

Matty (43:17.418)
So for my next one, we're gonna go back to Bloom House. Oh no. I know. I said I'd never go back there. Well. I owe them money. I mean, I think Bloom House owes us money. But not for all the films I'm talking about today. Thoroughly enjoyed. This kind of broke before Barbie really brought people back to the movie theaters. This movie shattered Fox office expectations.

And Do do I think a really phenomenal marketing campaign? I mean, I'm talking of course about Megan Oh, I was like, what are you talking about Megan? I mean like that her and checky had their Twitter fights They like which doll are you like I kind of forgot they were beefing Yeah, it was I mean it was like have you seen this fucking dog Christian Chenoweth did a whole like

Halloween it was a big cue. It was like a big Halloween costumes There's so many people dressed up as Megan for all these different things I mean it made a hundred eighty one million dollars Worldwide directed by Gerard Johnson and had lovely Allison Williams Did we ever talk about get out on here

Um, no. Yes. My biggest takeaway from Get Out, besides that it's an incredible movie, is that, um, Alison Williams is an actress. I will explain that, yes, that movie blew my mind. And I was like, wow, that, that twist, I didn't see it coming. And this is so revolutionary. And this Bravo Jordan Peele, but also like, Oh my God, Alison Williams is acting because I had only known her from girls and I could not stand her in girls. Like for like.

years, I was like, just kill that girl. Like she's awful. She's the worst. I'm an artist and these people running galleries just ruined my life. Like I hate this character so much. But I didn't realize it was a character because I'm a human that doesn't understand TV isn't real. And I was like, I'm like, I just don't like her. And, you know, and I met two of the other cast members and they were exactly the same as they were in the show. So I was like, they're all just being themselves. Right. And then I saw her like maybe she did Peter Pan. I remember she did like the live Peter Pan.

Matty (45:43.138)
But I didn't watch that because I don't hate myself. And then, oh my God, and then in Get Out, she was so different, like totally different. And I was like, maybe I just hate that character. Yeah. I felt like I had never experienced television before, but I was like, wow, good for you, actress. And then yeah, and then she's an actress in this too, and I didn't hate her in this too. And she was amazing in Fellow Travelers, I thought as well. Yeah, she's a good job, Alice. You played a character I could not stand, but good job, because that's, you tricked me.

Yeah, she I think that she's great and I love Lee Alison Williams. The lovely Alison Williams. I and her niece, who she winds up being the caregiver of the Guardian, is played by Violet McGraw. And she does amazing work in that movie as well. I think it got greenlit for a sequel.

within like weeks, moments, breaks. Days, like the first opening weekend. Same with Talk to Me. Talk to Me 2 is called Talk, letter like the number two and then me. Oh. And then Megan I think has a two in it somehow also. Yeah. Oh my God. Nowadays if a horror movie does good within the first weekend, they're like, another. Give me another. That's why you have to kill all your characters. Exactly. But I mean, it takes your kind of

what you loved about Child's play and... Gives it a vagina. I hope not. I mean, this was the year of the doll, but it, I mean, and also kind of all our deepest fears about AI and robots and gives it a whole new face with, you know, a blowout. She had a good blow and she can dance. She is a dancer. She is a mover. So end result. I remember you saw this.

before I did and you loved it and talked it up a lot. I did? I thought we saw it together. No, and then I saw it after. Oh, okay. Oh, who did I see it with? I don't know. Oh, I saw it with Lancelot, friend of the podcast. Yeah, we loved it. It was a very enjoyable experience. That was very fun. So that, I mean, we all kind of know about it, especially in, you know,

Matty (48:06.018)
People that are listening to this podcast definitely know what this movie was, but that was a very good one that I thoroughly enjoyed. I did like it. No, I'm just kidding. Ha ha ha.

Matty (48:18.015)
I've been sitting here for 10 minutes trying to think of like, how do you say this without, but you know what you guys, we're real with you. We're nothing if not completely genuine. And I just, I wanted to like it. I think, I think everyone talked about it so much and I waited a little too long to see it. Okay. I think if I went into it with no expectations, I'd have been like fun, silly. To killer doll movie. I don't know what I was expecting, but like, I think I expected like a talk to me.

It's one of those, I mean like, what was also so good about it was everything that encompassed it and its marketing and all of that, I think that was. Now they're geniuses, they made a bajillion dollars. Like, bravo. I just, I think I was disappointed. That happens sometimes with the people kind of hype stuff up. Yeah, totally. I just, I didn't take it for what it was gonna be and I was expecting.

to like really make me laugh or really be scared. I didn't really find it scary and I didn't find it particularly funny. Yeah. I was just kind of like, who is this made for? But it seems like it was made for everybody except for me because everybody really liked it. But that happens sometimes. Like many times on the show, we loved movies and then everybody watches it and hates it. I think that it was very much a movie that was made for Gen X that a lot of people enjoyed. Gen X.

Gen Z, sorry. I was like, no, I'm Gen X. Right. I forgot my letters confused because millennials didn't get one. We got a word. Millennium. Okay, next. When we run out of things to say, we just repeat a word. Millennium. All right, so like I went into that being like, that last movie with Megan, I feel like I went in with expectations and I wanted it to be a certain.

and then I was disappointed that it wasn't that thing. This next movie I wanted to talk about is the complete opposite where I like went in, this is how you should go into all movies kids. If I teach you anything in this lifetime, may it be how to give a good blowjob or this. So listen, when you go to a movie, don't expect anything, just expect, like if a movie is good, it's like an act of like some sort of higher power because there's so many things that can go wrong when you make a movie. Absolutely. And like, and even with the best intentions, it can just be garbage because.

Matty (50:40.406)
Like everything has to work perfect. So when you see something that you love, you should do a little dance of joy because that is so frigging rare, right? So go into it expecting nothing. I went into cocaine bare thinking this is gonna be the worst movie I've ever seen in my entire life. And I'm like, fine, I wanna support Elizabeth Banks. Like old Lispy Pants makes me happy. I just wanna like support everything she does cause I've always just like, I love her. She's a fun, fun girl Friday. And...

Oh my God, cocaine bear had no right being as good as it was. It was, I mean. It, I'm so bummed we did a whole animals attack episode before it existed, not knowing the ultimate non-Jaws animal attack movie was gonna be about a bear that finds a bag of cocaine. I mean, it's. It was funny, it made me gasp, like there was moments that were like. It was brutal. It was surprisingly brutal. It was brutal. I thought they were gonna go like, cause I'm like, there's so many kids in this movie. Yeah. And.

It was just audacious and fun and it felt like how movies used to be. It says a lot about the movie because the bear was so CGI and you still enjoyed it. Yeah, CGI animals are my least favorite thing. Yeah. I mean, you can't really give a real bear.

or be like, hey bear, act like you're on cocaine. Like there was no, the movie- If we still had that bear from the eighties that was in all those movies, there was like this grizzly bear that was sort of famous that was like in like the great outdoors. Also they do totally reference the great outdoors in this movie, like where the bear like knocks the door down and like is jumping on candy. I've been craving that movie for some reason and I don't know why. I remember like kind of hating it as a kid, but now I'm just like, I want to watch the great outdoors. But-

Yeah, that bear was like super famous. It was in a bajillion movies and could do anything. And I think he died. So, and it was the wrong kind of bear. But this movie, okay, so this movie is, like we said, directed by Elizabeth Banks. It takes place, it's supposed to take place in the South, but it was filmed in Ireland. That was like a kind of thing I thought was interesting is that almost every movie that I liked this time. Was not filmed in America? No, but like were made to be like there in America. But yeah, this one was like filmed in Ireland.

Matty (52:56.322)
Kerry Russell is the star, which is great. Kerry Russell is always a solid presence. Alden Ehrenreich is in it. O'Shea Jackson Jr. is in it. The late great Ray Liotta makes his final film appearance in this movie. Marco Martindale is in it, who is not and out. Not and out. But is also like amazing. You'll notice that we have this game, any sort of patronly actress just tickles our pickles. And I don't really know why. It is my non,

fetishized kink is- It's just like the biggest fans of people that like look like they could be an aunt. Yeah, like- And it's like, it started with like, it's like, is this Ann Dowd? And we would always question this. Oh my God, I love Ann Dowd, yeah, it's Ann Dowd. Oh wait. And then we'd look it up on like whatever, and it's not Ann Dowd. And there's like five actresses that it would maybe be. Margot Martindale is 100% Ann Dowd. Yeah, but she's, I definitely-

definitely get them confused a lot. And then, but it's gotten to the point now that when we do see end out, I'm like, is that end out? Yeah, we don't even, the real end out is almost never end out in our mind. Cause we're like, it can't possibly be her. We're always wrong. And then it is her and she pops up the weird shit and I'm looking at you, exorcist believer. And Brooklyn Prince is in it. And Brooklyn Prince is like the little girl, she looks super familiar and it was bugging me. So I was like.

I know her as something besides a cocaine licking little kid, but it was because she's the little girl in the Florida project. And I love, love those filmmakers. And I am, uh, we're friendly and I, and I really love her performance in that movie. So it's good that she's still working and she's being funny. Um, this movie, I just found this out today. This movie is based on a true story. Absolutely. You didn't know that? Well, it's in quotes, cause it's not a true story. It was like the entire, sorry, not into the get in there. I mean, it,

I first heard about it came up in podcasts like the story got really big in true crime podcasts because there was a bear that was found dead surrounded by kilos of cocaine. And who wouldn't want to write a story about that? And yeah, I know. Yeah. And then and then the writers kind of took off running and kind of made like Tarantino false history about it. Exactly. Yeah, that's what I was basically going to say. Yeah. So like, apparently this is like happened in Kentucky.

Matty (55:16.958)
In 1985, there was a corrupt cop and he stealing a bunch of cocaine. And he had about 80 pounds of it on him and parachuted out of this airplane and died. And then when he'd landed, a black bear found this and ate about, they approximate the bear ate $20 million worth of cocaine. Oh my God. And it OD'd within minutes.

Which sounds like a lot of people I know in Fire Island. Like it's like, you know, if you do that much, you're not gonna go to the pool party later, you know? You're gonna get a nosebleed and you're gonna- So this poor bear passed away. This bear's also like on display at some place called like the Happy Time Mall. Stop it. Really? Yeah. You can go see him. It's, in the movie, it's a female and you'll find out because of twists that it's a lady.

It's like Sharon Stone in Casino or something. Michelle Pfeiffer in Scarface, just like a hopped up femme fatale. But in real life, it was a boy and his line, his name, which is also used by Funko, and I think it's the funniest thing, is they call him Pablo Escobar. Yeah. And I'm not saying cocaine is good. And if you have a bear, please don't feed it cocaine. But funny, funny premise for a movie. Oh my God. So it was so good.

Yeah, it had no right being that good, but it was a surprise. And why was this a surprise? Because we didn't go in with expectation. Even with negative connotation, like this is gonna be bad. Yeah, maybe every time you see like a Spielberg movie, you should be like, this is gonna suck. And then you're like, oh, okay. Oh no, he's still got it. Yeah. So yeah, I did say that this was Ray Liotta's last film. This was also technically Paul Rubin's, Pee Wee Herman's last film, cause they show him on the television.

for this footage. And it was last movie so far that he's been in since he passed away. And Ray Liotta died a week after he recorded lines for like redubbing. Like they often like go in and like Yeah, and do a re-dub. And like he was in the session and then he died a week later. So this is like his last thing. So rest in peace, Ray Liotta, you're incredible. Cocaine Bear is a weird name for our movie. And it technically wasn't gonna be the final name for the movie. That's just like what they called it. Like we're making that Cocaine Bear movie. Right. And they couldn't think of a better name.

Matty (57:41.95)
I mean, how could you? I don't know what it would be. So it just stuck. Like working cocaine bear title. Yeah, it's amazing. I don't know how they're gonna do a sequel. I think I do actually know how they could do a sequel. So maybe we'll get a cocaine bears. Cocaine bears, more bears, more cocaine. This time we want more than a picnic basket. Picnic basket. Yeah, watch it if you have it. Watch it with your mom. Watch it with someone like Endowed.

All right, what's yours? All right, we're going away from the House of Bloom to the land of Spain. Well, this is a Spanish movie and a pleasant surprise for us again. It was a movie exclusive and I'm talking about rotting in the sun. He, he, yay. It's my favorite movie poster of the whole year. Oh my God.

which I didn't get for the longest time. Then I was like, oh. It's a vulture and a boner. It's a boner and ketamine movie. A movie for our time. Yeah, that's, I mean like that's what gay social media called it. So yeah, that's that dick and ketamine movie. But I don't wanna give a lot away because there are, you know, different plot twists and everything in it. But it was directed by Sebastian Silva.

uh also starts Jordan Firstman it was very different in that they both kind of play themselves and it's very self-referential um but it was I absolutely loved and the standout performance I thought was um by um

Matty (59:36.31)
The maid right she was she's in a movie another one of Sebastian's movies called the maid But she was she is The housekeeper in this movie as well I mean, it's just a really great movie that Has plots and twists and some really kind of whodunnit structure Has this seen the man has both gasp more than any of these other movies I would say Yeah with the couch. Yes

We both were like, oh, jeez. That's like hands into the clavicle again. Yeah, it was. I mean, it was it was. It made its rounds, you know, on so on social media, and it was just a really, really lovely film. Not exactly horror, but definitely a thriller. Yeah, thrillers, fancy, which we'd like to.

shake our fists with love. I really love them. I thought Catalina was incredible. I like, we just had in our real universe, as opposed to when this comes out, we just had Oscar nominations and I knew that was never gonna happen, but my little dark horse in the back of my mind for best supporting actress has been Catalina all year. Cause I was like, she is incredible. And they're acting like there's all these supporting roles that are like, I don't know, was it a strong year for women? And I was like, there's a woman.

Yeah, I did the shit out of this movie, but people saw it. And she has in so many of this guy's films. I mean, like, yeah, I love that his muse is like a middle aged. Exactly. It's so cool. I mean, he's an amazing director. He's gorgeous. It's.

Matty (01:01:19.946)
It's just a really interesting topic that is very right on the pulse of now. It talks about kind of, you know, the dangers of social media, not necessarily the dangers, but the toxicity of it. And. Using people who are very popular on social media like Jordan is someone like I remember watching the movie and being like, I feel like I know this guy and I know this guy somewhere. I know him. I know him. I know him. And I was like, oh, no, we follow each other on fucking Instagram. Like, it was like, oh, you are named Jordan also. And I was like, because it.

It was weird. I didn't use it. Because he's playing this hyper version of himself anyway, and like kind of a douchey version of himself. Very douchey. And he got very famous during the pandemic, making fun, like humorous, like comedy videos. And that's how I found him. And that's, I mean, like, and that is his character himself in it, which was, I think he plays such kind of a gross character in it. And being able to do that and still say that you're being yourself, you gotta get a good prop to that.

Yeah. You know, that's gutsy moves. It is. You're like, oh, well, that's really how you are. Maybe. Plus, there's dicks in it. Plus, lots of drug use. It's like also, I remember, like, kind of like in our, like, queer film loving community, there was like a lot of is this a negative? Is this too negative? Is this bad representation? And I think to talk on that is kind of interesting. Like, I personally think that it's nice when we get to see gay people not.

in like a victim light and as like an innocent hero, like show the different shades. Yeah. And this is a very gay movie. I remember what you said. And it's not necessarily like a sweet. No, it's not. We're not necessarily compassionate. Yeah, and it's good. I like think that all people come in all different colors and just any sort of representation on screen. And a lot of our movies have had kind of queer characters or content. Yeah.

that we've chosen, which is great, which shows how much things have changed. Absolutely, in the past couple of years, you know? And I think what you said after we watched this, it's always kind of stuck with me, was- Oh yeah? Yeah. I'm gonna stick with you. In your rears. Like glue. Was that this is what queer cinema should be, you know?

Matty (01:03:41.746)
It's just Dixonville. No. No, I mean, like, like it's showing our sex lives showing. And I mean, like the sex in it is real. You can tell, you know, it's like it is provocative. It is out there. It's showing an aspect, not what gay culture is, but it's showing an aspect of what gay culture is to some people. It's been a long time since we've had like.

gay directors who are willing to put something ugly or something that other people are not going to appreciate on screen. Like back in the roughest, like news queer cinema times of like the late 80s, early 90s when we had a bunch of new directors that all made things that were edgy and kind of in your face and people were like, oh no, like my children cannot see this. You know, it was like, you know, Greg Araki came out and Todd Haynes and Todd Verhoeven and all these people were like making these movies that were

Like putting gay on a post-it note and sticking it in your nose like, I'm gay. Like, you know, like we have dirty sex and we like, it's not like you. Like, and then we changed. Like for 20 years, we've been like, let us do this. Let us be the same. Let us accept. Let us accept us and let us be part of the conversation. And in the process, we became like this, like homogenized version of an experience. And I know a lot of people that I think.

rotting in the sun made them uncomfortable because it showed them their own life a little too much. Absolutely. You know, it seemed like, oh, but I'm not that bad. Right. You know, oh, I don't go to Mexico just to look at dicks and do I? Oh, yes, you do. I was like, this is the life story of a lot of people I know. And I've never seen that story on the movie before. So fucking good. I can't wait to see what he does next. Bravo, Mr. Silva. Bravo.

Um

Matty (01:05:43.719)
Five that's going to do these last two there's gonna be some cuts in there, too

Matty (01:05:52.734)
I'm gonna chase him off. It's gonna be Thanksgiving, it's cool. Yep. So, darling, love of my life. What's your last movie? My last movie? Yeah. I wanna play a game. Oh! Let's see if you can guess what it is. Risk. What did you say, risk? Yeah. Is that a movie? It's travel. No, it's a game. Oh, that's a game.

Oh, you're guessing the game. It's scattergories. No, of course we have to talk about scream. I was like going back on like our past episodes, like kind of reminiscing and also like boning up so that I could see what we were gonna talk about and what we hadn't talked about. And I didn't realize that we devoted three episodes to the scream series, did you? We did.

That's a lot of episodes. Yeah, we talked a lot. Well, there's a lot of movies. Yeah, it's one of those. Scream, the whole series is funny because if you ask me what my favorite horror movies are, I don't know that anything besides the first Scream like even come to mind right off the bat. But when you really look at like the actual series itself, I'm like, oh, I think it's one of the most solid, like solidly enjoyable, like slasher like.

Leviathans that I like. Like, I think I like the screen movies a lot more than I give credit to them for. Like, then they're important. When the new one comes out, it's like important. Tor, yeah. And I feel very invested in it. And this one, it made me so happy for so many different reasons. And now thinking back at it all this time later and all the news things that have happened for this new screen movie. Oh my gosh. It makes me so sad.

So I had to kind of hold off and I wasn't even originally gonna put it on the list. Like I was like, no, we gotta talk about it. We gotta talk about Screech. And then I was making notes and I was like, there's more I need to talk about with this movie than anything else really. So fuck it. Let's go in. It's a it's directed by radio silence, which I think is sort of funny and sort of silly that they have like a code name for their director team. That's if we were directors, what would our tagline? What would we go by Glitter Fox? That makes sense. Yeah.

Matty (01:08:17.586)
Yeah, this is Matt Bettenelli, Matt Bettenelli open, which I wanted to write Bert Bertinelli so badly that I almost said it again. Bertinelli! I was like, is he related to Valerie Bertinelli? Matt Bettenelli open and Tyler Gillet. And they go by radio silence when they direct together and they often do. They made Ready or Not, which is one of our favorite movies. That is. Yeah, we like them. I was very excited to see what they were going to do with the new trilogy and now it seems like that's...

Well, they made two just I mean, and the two they did were really, it is a great example to, you know, appreciate what you've gotten and appreciate when you get it. Because you never know if you're going to get another one. Right. We just take for granted that we're going to this happens all the time. If you're a fan of Scream, you know that this happens all the time. This is just bullshit. So like, all right, so let's have it. So like so Scream 6 is in New York. It's like Scream.

Ghostface goes to New York, takes Manhattan, but it's actually in Canada. I was so excited that they were gonna film a Scream movie in New York and I was like, there's no way we're not gonna be extras in this. We're gonna find a way. Well, they filmed it in Canada. They made it in a different country, so that was impossible. Also, by the time they tell you they're filming, they're like done filming. We did have one thing that we noticed. The scene in Scream 6 where they're on the subway on Halloween, it is exactly like that.

Yeah, but more throwing up. We talked about it in our last episode, but like Halloween in New York is just like straight people throwing up. And that was the only thing missing in that scene really was like. It's true. And the costumes were like too recognizable. I feel like a lot of times in New York, there's people that are dressed as something kind of like, I'm Van Gogh's ear. Like high brow college students, don't dress as like Freddie Krueger, you know. That scene in general, the subway scene.

A, when they were talking about making a movie, they had said that it was like the scene that almost got cut because it was gonna be the most expensive and they couldn't figure out how to make it. And they had to build a subway in Canada. And the whole idea of it was gonna just be too much just to create, so they were gonna drop it. So it's like if they didn't. A movie in New York without a subway. And it's one of the best scenes. Yeah. I wish they hadn't shown so much of it in the trailer, but it's by far one of the best scenes. So the cast of this, the only person that came back.

Matty (01:10:40.066)
that's in the original five other movies is Courtney Cox. And then also Roger Jackson, the voice that goes space. They've been in every single movie. I mean, he's on TikTok now. It was the controversial movie that Neve Campbell dropped out of because of pay dispute. Give me money. Neve Campbell deserves all the money that she's carried to series for five movies. She deserves a lot of money. She has some bare shoulder pain. Give Neve Campbell whatever she asks for, especially now, especially now. It has Melissa Barrera, who was the lead in.

last movie, our final girl also with the other final girl, it girl of the moment, Jenna Ortega, who- I mean, everyone survived the core four. Yeah, then Jasmine Savoy Brown comes back from Yellow Jackets and Mason Gooding, Cuban good, Cuba Gooding Jr.'s really hot son. And then they add Dermot Mulroney, who has forever been the hot dad. That's always very exciting. Jack Champion, who's like the un-

explicably hot 16 year old in Avatar. With the dreads, the whiteboard dreads. Yeah, he's in this. Hannah Liberato is the hot little redhead. Liana Liberato. Samara Weaving comes in for the first scene and she's the leader, whether you're not, so it was really nice to have her in it. Yes, it was. She's wearing Courtney Cox's chartreuse color from Scream 2. The amount of Easter eggs in this movie is unlike any other movie.

in the series. Like they just obviously love it so much that there's little touches throughout the entire movie. It's what gives it watchability. And then my two favorite cast members, we have Hayden Pettitare coming back as Kirby. Kirby! Which I've wanted to have happen since Scream 4. And I found out some stuff as to why that didn't happen, which is very, very interesting. Oh, I want to- First a shout out to Josh Sagara, who is the hot boyfriend of Melissa's character.

Yes. He has a shirtless scene that literally was the greatest thing I've seen in cinema in the last year and a half. We gasped. Here at Dirty Pillows, we'd like to give you our horror trade stuff, and on the top of my list of horror trade now is Josh Segarra. He popped up in She Hulk, and we were like, oh, I like that movie. There's something about a furry, ripped, goofy person that just makes my whole body feel like it's gonna have a grand mal seizure.

Matty (01:13:00.382)
And I have to like eat popcorn real fast. And he took his shirt off and was like, wow. I was like, oh, he's dumb and silly. And he's got that. And that. Good for you, Melissa. And I was like, oh, please be the killer. He wasn't. Hayden Penatera, originally, they were thinking that they wanted her to come back after their big, remember like after Scream 4 and they fucked everything up and we talked about this, but she was clearly the best bet to be like the new Sydney. But they fucked it up and killed her. And then,

The movie didn't do good because they made so many bad choices and then they waited 10 years to make another movie. I feel like that's this Hayden Panetier curse. Yeah. And I don't want to put that on her because she's an awesome human. She is. I've met you. I like you a lot. And you're so good. But they wanted to put her in but they couldn't find her. Oh, she had done Nashville and then she took like a four-year break and

or she took a break before that too. She doesn't have an agent, doesn't believe in any of that stuff. She's like the feminine Bill Murray. I love that. Bill Murray doesn't have representation. Right. He doesn't have his phone number and call him. Right. Sofia Coppola always jokes that like Lawson translation was like hell because she had to like find Bill Murray. Find Bill Murray. And I hated Pettiter, I love that you are like the female Bill Murray. It's like- Alan's like that. Alan Cumming. Do you know her? Oh, that's so cool. That's such a cool like flex. Like be like-

Such a fight. DM me. Do you know how to get ahold of me? Someone involved with Nashville like was friends with the guys making the movie and then they were like, hey, can you have a connect to Hayden? And they're like, yeah. And they just like called her up and she's like, yeah. Oh, wow. That's amazing. So they just they wanted to put you in kid. They just couldn't find you. It was just so interesting to me. Let's see. What are some things to talk about with this movie?

It is the longest screen film in the franchise. It's two hours and three minutes long. So it's longer than any of the others. The bodega scene, they showed a lot of the trailers that I thought was really interesting because it was very controversial that he had a gun. Right. The ghost faces never have a gun unless they reveal themselves. It's a shotgun, not just a gun, he had a shotgun. But it was intense. I've been in so many shady bodegas and I was like, oh my God, what would we do in this situation? And like a fun little Easter egg is that bodega is called Abe's snake, right?

Matty (01:15:16.182)
So the snake belonging to Abe. Do you know why that's Easter egg? No, tell me. When Wes Craven was starting out, he was mostly known as a porn director. Like last house on the left, you know, olden times. He directed a lot of porn and his porn nom de plume was Abe snake. So the bodega is named after Wes Craven's porno.

director career director. Which I think is fucking so cute and wonderful. His director, his porn director alias, I love that. This is also known as the first movie that Courtney Cox actually got to talk to Ghostface. But if you watch screen two, she all, she was supposed to talk to Ghostface in screen two, but Randy takes the phone from her and then he does. But it was supposed to be Courtney's call. But this is the first time she got to actually talk to him. Courtney Cox is super enthusiastic just in general talking about this movie like it's her favorite because she got to do her own stunts and she has this great fight scene and.

Oh, that might seem so good. A lot of shit was going down with Dewey dead and never out, but Courtney seemed to be having a blast, which is why I think that they let her always come back. Like, I feel like, you can tell when someone's fun to work with. And Courtney Cox just seems so chill and enthusiastic. If you're not following her on Instagram, do it. Oh, my God. She's that is favorite. So good.

She makes fun of herself. For the audition process of this movie, because a lot of these actors had to like, kind of read for these parts and stuff. For the audition process, and nobody knew the plot of the movie, everybody had to read a killer monologue. So you had to read like the reveal like, yes, Sydney, it was me all along. Oh wow. You know, they all had to read that. And then they would read some other stuff. And then, so nobody knew who the killer was, but they all had to be convincing as that person. And the directors say that, that our Hottie McHottie, that Josh was,

by far the best Ghostface monologue. And then he cracked everybody up and they loved him and they almost switched his character to be the killer because he read it so well. But you can't have the boyfriend be the killer again. No, they wanted to subvert Scream 2 because it's so much of it is Scream 2. Like they go to college again, there's all these plot points that are similar and then they kind of switched the way they did it at the end in that movie. It's a parents again, the sororities and the fraternities are the same. It's interesting.

Matty (01:17:36.182)
tying somebody else that she is the only person to be in six films of a franchise. And she ties that with Mila Djokovic. Resident Evil? Mm-hmm. They both have been six back-to-back original movies. Hornycocks wins that battle. And Roger Jackson also is in six of them. Fun fact about him, if you look at the, like I said, the subway is like just a land of Easter eggs. You could freeze frame every little shot.

Like every Wes Craven movie is represented in that. Like even his really small movies, like, you know, like the horrible Christie Swanson movie or whatever. Like those characters are all, sorry. She likes Trump. She doesn't have to, we don't have to be nicer to Christie Swanson on this. So yeah, she's from Orange County, like me. And no one in Orange County is nice to each other. That's just how we, that's on our welcome map. That's on our sign. Welcome to Orange County, we're bitches here. A fun little subway thing is somebody's dressed like Mojo Jojo. Do you know who that is? Yeah.

Crazy monkey from Powerpuff Girls. From Powerpuff Girls, yeah. Somebody dressed as Mojo Jojo. And why that's an Easter egg is that Roger Jackson, the voice of Ghostface, is also the voice of Mojo Jojo. Oh, that's awesome. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. So they put him in there. I was excited that we were gonna have Hayden, and this is also the most survivors that any of these movies has ever had. Like they had like seven people lived. It was exciting to see where it was gonna go. Hopefully they can figure some shit out. Jenna Ortega, not.

involved. Yeah, it sucks though, because Jenna brought such good, she brings so much goodness to everything that she's in. Your two leads are not in the movie. And then from Yellow Jackets, she said that no one's called her. Yeah, that post, she's like, I don't know what's happening. No one's talked to me. Neve's messages have been great. She's like, I hope they can figure it out. And I'm like, I know you're the craft girl. Man, I'll take that film.

And I'll take their film. I see through you, girl. But yeah, I don't see they need to give them a couple of millions of dollars. Let her be the lead. They'll make the money back. And have it maybe be the final one. But yeah, we're dying in the beginning. And still give her millions of dollars. Yes. Yeah, that's what they do. That's what they do for Jamie Lee Curtis. That's what you do for Neff Campbell. Like, yeah, stop giving our final girls the shaft. You know, they do the same shit with like Heather Langenkamp, who played Nancy and stuff like.

Matty (01:19:58.798)
They're maybe not famous in your executive worlds on numbers and on paper, but to the fans, they are. Like I always joke that we should kill Neve Campbell in these movies, but I know so many of you listeners, like Neve Campbell is your favorite scream queen. And yeah, she's worth every penny. These movies make so much money. Yeah. So much money. So yeah, put her in, give her whatever she asks for. Bravo. Yeah, that's it. Scream six.

Matty (01:20:28.646)
Okay, for my last film, it was a box office success. I checked yesterday. At this time, it's still in theaters. Oh really? You can still find it. You can go see it this afternoon.

Matty (01:20:45.834)
The holidays are over, but they don't have to be when you have Thanksgiving. Hey! Thanksgiving. This movie, absolutely phenomenal. I think there's, it's, the original concept came from Grindhouse, from Tarantino, you know, the faux trailers. Think the only one left to be made is Werewolf Women of the SS. And.

And I don't know that one. Don't don't has been made. Don't I go right. Sure. Don't. But it was totally a joke. Eli Roth came up with that spent years then kind of ruminating and made it into a feature length movie, a, you know, Black Friday massacre because humans are terrible creatures.

to each other Only when there's sales, yeah only when they're sales But I mean it was brutal. It was funny There was it was I mean you have your you I think it's a really great Eli Roth film It's probably the greatest Eli Roth film. Yeah, you know, I mean it's It's I think it made what are they 46 as of today? 46.1 million dollars

So in the past, I mean, with the box office and everything coming out of there, it made, I think in two weeks, it made something like 26, but it's still perceived to still make 20 million past that worldwide. It's run currently, which I think is great. I remember asking you, do you think there's gonna be another one? And you're like, Eli Roth made Hostel 2. Of course there's gonna be another one. Did I say that? Yeah. That sounds like me.

Um, but we have another daddy of the silver fox coming back. We have Patrick Dempsey. Yes. Who if he paid Neve Campbell, he's supposed to be our husband and scream. So he would come back also. Oh, my God. Do it. Pay them the money. A hot cop. Hot cop. We also have I think Patrick Dempsey's hot. Yeah. McDreamy. Yeah. So funny. When I was a kid.

Matty (01:23:12.798)
I could not as a teenager, people would always compare me to Patrick Dempsey. They're like, you look like Patrick Dempsey. And so in my brain, that was horrible. Like I had curly hair, too. Curly hair is back in the day in the 80s. He was mostly known for like Can't Buy Me Love. He's the nerdy boy that like pays the rich girl to be your brain. Just went to an ugly, as weird as the nerdy. I'm the nerdy boy. Not.

McDreamy on like, yeah, even during Grease Anatomy time, if people said I looked like him, I would get offended. I mean, he was like people's like sexiest man alive, like I don't know. Perception perception. Take the doughnut and take the doughnut. I'm going to look at him in a new way. Also, as an amazing cameo from Gina Gershon, which made me so happy.

And we actually came face to face with Gina Gershon while we've been gone. You guys, I hugged her. I hugged Gina Gershon and I died. And he came back to life just to record this for you. Yeah, we got invited to some fancy post night party girl party. I got to meet Parker Posey and I got to meet Gina Gershon. It was really one of the most fucking surreal New York City nights that I've had. In a long time, it was and Alan Cummings mother.

Matty (01:24:38.853)
I turned around and it was just tiny Gina Gashon standing behind me and I said, Hi, I'm Maddie. What did Gina say? Hi, I'm Gina. Did she say it like that? Hi. She's like, hi, hello. Yeah. All of us were like,

Matty (01:24:58.57)
It was, yeah, it was, it was very, it was very surreal. Our friend Gina popped up in this movie. Best friends. Go back way. No, but she, it was, it was.

Her part was too small in my opinion, but it um, I mean like it I thought that it was a very lovely slasher movie A different premise sort of situation. I was wondering how they're gonna tie the entire kind of Thanksgiving thing in You know, um It was gonna be a time-traveling Madman, but I think that how they did it was really great and the lead actress Um, addison ray. I thought that she was really good Um, it kind of gives you

just that New England colonial town vibes. And I found it very, it gets witchy, it gets weird, but there's a human-sized oven. There's so many, I mean, it was... It was super fun. And I think what's missing from a lot of Eli Roth's past filmography is fun.

Oh my God, because it's for a man who clearly loves the genre as much as he does. And he's so smart. Like he's one of the most like knowledgeable or aficionados I can think of. He's like Joe Bob Briggs with a furry chest. Like he's great. But his movies, I've always found kind of odd in that they don't reflect what seems like his personality and what seems like his knowledge. Like, yeah, it almost seems to. Like, go low like.

I find that with like Hostel and with Cabin Fever and with like, with the Green Inferno, like a lot of it is like, you go, he goes for like the low joke or the- Low hanging fruit? Yeah, and he's smarter than that. And I think it's funny that this film seems like he's having the most fun. Yeah. And from what I've read about it, this is a project that he's wanted to do since like before Cabin Fever. Like it's an idea he's had because he loves holiday horror and like-

Matty (01:27:00.782)
Christmas horror and stuff. And he's always like, there's no Thanksgiving good horror movie. Yeah, it's true. And it's kind of like kind of bullshit that we all do, right? As fans, like I always am like, there should be an Easter bunny killer movie. And there should be right. Something else besides Valentine, you know, like Jack Frost. There's like it's a great like well to mine. And like and the fact that he made something you could tell that he really loved what he was doing. But it also just seemed like he was having a good time in a way that he seems when he's like.

Acting for Tarantino or something like I can tell he's having a blast when he's like in glorious bastards Or when he's in Grindhouse He's he loves to be there and I didn't get that kind of joy in a lot of his other movies a lot of his Other movies I find hard to watch and then Cabin Fever, which is probably I'd say the funniest of his movies besides this The jokes are just in it like they're so straight. It's such straight male humor. Yeah

that I don't particularly find funny, you know? And it's just kind of quirky and odd. But this, it was just, it was a really well done thing. It was another surprise that I was expecting it just to be a stupid slasher that we just watch mindlessly and it was enjoyable and fun. Yeah, I mean, I had an absolutely great time. I watched out, I walked out being like, well, that was fucking lovely. It was fun. Sometimes horror is fun.

The only thing that my only minus is that Jordan Ladd is like really heavily featured in the fake trailer and grind house. Yeah. And for the for those of you that don't know, Jordan Ladd is the voice that you hear in the beginning of our trailer. She's our Carrie. She's she's a friend and she's amazing. And I really wanted her to be surprised and have her pop up. Mm hmm. She wasn't. And they and the only other beef I have, I guess, and beef. The only other turkey I have is that.

The only dark meat I can find in this situation is the trampoline scene is so iconic in the trailer and it was sort of- A throwaway? A throwaway moment in the movie and it should have been. And I wish someone had gotten decapitated in the car or something. There's scenes in the trailer with Machete when they made Machete into a real movie. A lot of the scenes in the trailer that is a fake trailer are in the movie. And I kind of would have liked to see some more of the trailer. Yeah, I mean, the trampoline just kind of-

Matty (01:29:14.614)
retro and 70s looking and it wouldn't really fit but being modern like it is. But it was just little things that I was waiting for. Yeah, I mean, it was kind of like, why is there a trampoline in the middle of this gym? Like if Rob Zombie doesn't make Werewolf Women of the SS with Nicholas Cage coming in as Mojo whatever at the end, I'm gonna be pissed off. There's like little things in these trailers that were really, really wonderful. I don't know if we should let Rob Zombie do another movie. No, he has to make Werewolf Women of the SS. Okay.

But with Nichols Cage and Shaman Zombie. There is one thing that we're promising ourselves this season. We're not going to go off on Rob Zombie rants. No, we're leaving Dad alone this year. The topic is something else. We're not letting us go. We're not letting Rob Zombie hijack our episode once again, because it's happened twice before. Shame on us. Shame on us. Not shame on you, Daddy Zombie. Not shame on you. It's OK. You're doing your best. He didn't make anything this year. He has nothing.

to piss us off about. Well, those are our films that we, you know, enjoyed, that we...

That's all this stuff that we saw that we wanted to talk to you about. Yeah. Did you see all of those movies or there's some that you hadn't? Did you write them down? Did you tweet about them? Did you? I'm not going to call it the other one. X. Whatever. Did you X about it? So then you get extra about. But yeah, we have some great, great stuff lined up for you in the coming weeks. Some even greater stuff.

that you're not gonna know what those things are because you have to come back and listen to us again. But we do have a little special sneak peek for next week. Yeah. Give us a sneak peek. Well, I think you should, because I mean, I don't know, you're in the movie. Ha ha ha. So this weird thing happened while I was gone. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. If you know me at all, I mean, and some of you are listening, I probably know me. If you know me at all, you would know that my, I don't have a lot of dreams in my life.

Matty (01:31:24.086)
that are yet unfulfilled. I've lived a full life. But there was one thing that I just was sitting in my back pocket, just burning a hole. What was that, darling? I just wanted to be a dumb blonde slut that died in a horror movie first. Yeah. Like I don't ask for a lot, you know? I just wanted to be a first girl. I just wanted to be like making bad choices, throwing caution to the wind, and then running through that wind with fake blood all over my face and my eyes stinging. And...

and snot coming out of my nose and saying, is this pretty? Is this pretty? Am I an actress, daddy? And Garamodio said, yes, you're an actress. So I died in this movie. I get all bloody and gross in a movie called You Can't Stay Here. And it just did a series of screenings, like a week, a little more than a week of screenings at the IFC theater in New York. Then we got to be in midnight movie, for like midnight for a couple more days.

And it starts Guillermo Diaz inspired Todd Ferro. I have a very, very small part in it, but it is pivotal. You were also the set photographer. I was the set photographer also, and I like pop up in little scenes here and there. But yeah, I'm all through it and it's very exciting to me and it means a lot. So we are going to have a conversation about that movie next time and bring some special guests in.

And we'll talk about what it was like making a queer horror movie in the central park rambles during COVID during COVID. Spoiler alert, it was sticky. It was sticky, but, um, we're super for looking forward to sharing that with you guys and everything else that we have coming up. Cause we're back. Yeah, we're back. And you can't get rid of us that easy. So yeah, make sure that you know you're up to date on all the things. Follow us on Instagram at the dirty pillows.

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